experience we have in oakland. many great programs start off very well, then people leave. budgets get cut. there's no sustainability. and they go off into the horizon. so, you four enlightened commanders, you understand this. but the challenges ahead, sequestration, perhaps, your budgets, change of command, retirement -- how do you four feel about being able to sustain this program and the concept that has been started here in the last three years at san francisco fleet week? >> i'll take that, jeff. one of the things that we have done is made sure that we derive value and benefit from the programs that we participate in. if we were showing up to be a training aid for somebody else, that would certainly die out. but we have mapped out objectives for ourselves which really benefit us across the spectrum of our operations. so, if you understand that going into this business and you know that you can get something out of it, there is a greater willingness, i think, to participate. so, we're in the process of building that and trying to codify that into our long-term training plan. >> if you
